a bit of a long shot, for the synth-wizards on here...
how would you approach the sound at 12:53 (or generally "modern" dubstep bass) on axoloti. any ideas?
i tried with fm (triangle waves) and i get a nice dubstep bass, but not the crispy type i hear at this spot. how would you approach that on axoloti?
thanks for any hints
Shit loads of distortion, filtering, distortion etc??
maybe vowel like filters could also work.
yes, thanks tried something along those lines. however the results are always a lot dirtier then this, the distortion mushes the sound up too much. maybe i need more filtering...
mix the distoriton in in parallel maybe. Filtering wise I would nudge out a lot of mid range and ugly peaks in the mid/high range.
Yeah, I would try a combination of sync oscillators, filtering and hardclip / softclip. Check out in tiar library, He has awesome sounding objects.. going to do some work and afterwards maybe I join the "dubstep lead" challenge. we should do sound cloning competitions, it could be fun! 
hey thanks!
while i like that sound very much it lacks the vowel character a bit i think.
i read up on vowel generation with just one filter (not the usual bandpass way) and it seems fm of the cutoff at audio rate is the ticket... there is the ZDF filter by @SmashedTransistors (thanks!!) and it works! check out the patch, it is still a prototype but you can already dial in nice throaty sounds. play with the dials!
filtervowels.axp (7.1 KB)
In case you are also into Vst's, you should check out sonic charge "bitspeek". with some settings it's a dubstep "secret weapon" 
thanks, i am trying to figure out a hardware only setup for live but funny you should mention bitspeek... i have some LPC objects working on the axoloti and tried to use them for bass the other day. needs some more tweaking though.
Personally I dont find Axoloti very fit for heavy bass sounds. Axo is really cool, but heavy distorted bass sounds are a bit hard to do, imo.
What else do you have in you hardware arsenal @lokki?
hmm, i think you are right that fat basses are not the most obvious to do on axoloti, but it is definitely possible. i have some patches that shake every p.a. system...(i was surprised when i tried them on a big p.a. actually)
my current hardware setup for live (synthwise):
waldorf pulse II
waldorf blofeld
axoloti
bela
i also own but don't use live:
waldorf pulse I
waldorf microwave I
preenfm2
dave smith tetr4
of all of them of course the axoloti and bela are the most flexible.
i used the bela for a really cool granular looper/freezer sound mangler which would be impossible to do on an axoloti. axoloti is great for synth design though and has lots of modulation options via gpio etc.
Great sounding simple patch. I like it !
I find the axoloti can produce big bass sounds using the sin oscillator (with ou without fm/pm).
I often just add a sin as an extra osc for all my bass sounds, it can really get those basses going.
I actually found out by playing in festivals / live venues with big sound systems that it produces much more bass sounds that I thought... but that's quite usual I think with whatever you play (especially as I work in at a quite low volume at home)
I've recently changed one of my live setups, by adding a Behringer model D and a Neutron instead of an axoloti patch with 2 mono bases... and I find that spectrum / sound wise it's not that much different. There is definitely a much more 'analog' feel (and not only because it's always out of tune), but in a mix, I couldn't say one is much better than the other.
Yes I agree it is possible no doubt
I think i have a few ideas to update the sound, will look into when I am back home in the afternoon.
But to sum up the ideas I have shortly:
Add som dirt to the sound, like some kind of distortion, maybe several distortions in parallel. Also add some compression.
You could even try the multiband system that I made, its in the comlib.
Maybe add different distortion type and compression for each band, low/mid/high. The MB system is completely open, so you can add any kind of effect to each band....
If you want to look into a vsti that is super cool for making evil ass bass sounds, look at Serum. Maybe you can replicate some of the functions from Serum into Axoloti?
All the big guys in D&B/NeuroFunk/Dubstep uses Serum. Noisia, Spor Billian are examples. And with good reason Its super complex and high quality.
Yeah, I think one of the issue with Axoloti and creating bass sounds is that Axoloti sounds "too clean". I know this is not a bad thing in many situations, but for bass "too clean" is not always a wanted feature.
To me Axoloti shines for sampling, that is my favourite use of Axoloti.
That said I also like to make full track with Axolotis only and in that case the "cleanness" of Axoloti is not an issue, cause all sounds come from the same device and everything has a bit of the same defined sound. I use for example Acustica Audio plug ins to add analog feeling to Axolotis clean sound. Acustica Audio plug ins are..... expensive...... And not possible to find cracked version as they use online validation so onl one way to get them... Buy them..... But worth every single penny, in my opinion at least.
but i think most of the dirt can be added quite easily. try the integratorleaky, it can work wonders! or add a small amount of randomness to your pitch. also a little noise can beef it up.
cool! looking forward to that. my patch was only a starting point, so great if you can take it further.
I did suggest a couple of things, the multiband approach for example, so if you cant wait try it out yourself
Multiband is a very common feature within those genres to make a more "layered" sound.
My approach to fattening up the bass is the dr j sparrow pedal. It's a cheap sansamp clone that I originally got for di-ing bass guitar but I used it on almost anything these days. Great on kick drums and bass synths. Really seems to bring out the subs without muddying everything up. And you can be subtle/extreme with the dirt. Got two of them, and another coming for christmas!
For more agressive bass/lead "wubs"
More dirt can be added and I would like to try also just to process lows and highs separately.
Dubstewub.axp (5.7 KB)
Here is one take with a few minor changes:
Som pulsewith modulation for the osc and a retrigger for one of the lfos and added a compressor too.
filtervowels cool 5 .axp (11.5 KB)
