Critter and Guitari - Organelle

#13

USB stick, a bit of an odd decision... probably to avoid connectivity issues, its an easy solution- I guess.

they do mention USB wifi dongle on the forum... actually, it sounds like if you have some skills with Linux, you will be able to treat it as a Linux box, so do what you wish - but theres not alot of info on that side at the moment.
(e.g. it has a HDMI output, and USB keyboard/mouse... can you edit on the box itself? perhaps even just do a remote X session)

as for editing, well, I guess you prototype with PD on a PC/Mac first no... so only need to transfer when finished.
(Ive actually no issue with that workflow... has the advantage you can test without the board attached)

OLED... yeah pretty small, but I guess probably not far off the OP1 size, I dont think you need much, its just parameter,patch and menu selections.
Keyboard, seems to be part of their brand... again bit like the OP1, nice to have something you can play on the road... or when you dont want to have all your gear around. (thats why the battery power is a key missing element!)

Id guess opinions will be divided... axoloti is the ultimate hackable board for music, both hardware and software... perhaps the Organelle is 'less hardcore' , gives you the modular synth, but in a fixed hardware format.

Of course, I hope Axoloti Remote can bridge that gap, make it more accessible to those that dont have the time/skills for hardware hacking (and yes, are willing to pay extra for that privilege :smile: )

#14

looks like overpriced geekware to me but i might be wrong. on the other hand id love pd integration on the axoloti because i have so much already finished in pd which i have to redo now ... also i dont think anything can match the depth of pd and you need that depth often to cover new grounds.

#15

Hipsters like maple.

#16

Organelle does allow direct patch editing: "Patches may be created and/or edited directly on the device as well as on a personal computer. Plug in a keyboard, mouse and monitor [into HDMI port] and begin customizing"

#17

Organelle and Axoloti are both flexible tools, platforms for which you can test the limits of your imagination and ingenuity. However, Organelle is a bit overpriced in regards to what it is and does... but it does come with a case, a screen, inputs, and I am assuming packaging, and all of that stuff adds up. Just imagine what our beloved Axo would have cost us if johannes shipped these guys with anything but the board.

#18


Looks like someone checked Axoloti object wishlist
#19

Keyboard is good as a destination instrument... Huge user base.
But I want to make new instruments.
Still wood is good tho not just for hipsters :wink:

Editing patches axo/uModu/Reaktor style is best.
Having a hardcore community like Axo is bester.

#20

some how (dont ask!), I now also have an Organelle :slight_smile:

first impressions, its actually very good...

  • only played with the factory patches, which I must say, do sound excellent, and are really creative 10 out of 10!

  • what is excellent, and the primary reason I got it... is its a self contained box, you just power it up and off you go...

  • pure data, Im getting used to it - and decided, its not a big deal for me, if things get too complex I can just write a PD External and use C++ , so Im going to use PD mainly as glue, which has the benefit is the same PD externals I can use (different compile flags) inside Bela! (also on a rPI3)
    p.s. I still find it easier to patch in Axoloti rather than PD... though granted there are thousands of PD externals out there.

  • connectivity, its great to be able to just chuck a wifi usb stick in, ssh into it, and transfer files etc.. also hubs work, and Im going to be trying other stuff .. but its great you dont have to connect anything!
    (Ive yet to get my 7" touch screen working, but my portable keyboard worked out of the box)

  • code is open source, and its very simple C++ , so really easy to modify, already made a couple of small improvements ... couldn't resist :wink:

  • boot/shutdown time, is not bad (20 sec/6 sec respectively) , though of course, Id prefer it to be instant!

Its certainly not a replacement for either Axoloti or Bela, both are much better for building instruments (and I use Axoloti as my 'swiss army knife' for midi/fx as well) , and there latency is much better (though Ive not tested Organelle yet) - but Organelle is fun to sit with on the couch, and just have play, or to attach to you mixers 'send' and randomly throwing audio into various patches.

(I guess, Im using it a bit like some may use the OP-1, which I like the portability of, but was not so keen on is functionality... though I do totally respect it is a fantastic instrument)

oh, and it works as a small midi keyboard (albeit without velocity!) which is something I needed.

anyway, Im glad Ive got it... it will be good friends with my Belas and Axolotis.

#21

please provide some latency measurements when you get the chance! so we can settle this once and for all :slight_smile:

#22

will do, though at the moment Im either spending my time just playing it ... or trying to work out what makes it tick (software, codec, arch linux setup etc)

latency will be a bit tricky.
guess the best is to measure RTT on ADC<- PD -> DAC as thats what most users are using it for, when using effects.

then there is midi latency, I could do an RTT, but thats fraught with issues e.g. latency in the loopback device, the connection method (e.g. if I use a USB midi din converter that is going to be slower than USB to USB) - so not really sure the best way to do this, to get a fair measurement.
what I would be more interested in is jitter for midi.

... and of course, using PD, would not be as quick as using alsa directly from C++ etc, so not strictly a test of the hardware, rather the normal 'users experience'

I wil say so far, as an instrument it seems fine... and even when using it as a send effect it sounded good... now that may be as i was tending to play with reverbs/delays so of course, latency is not a big issue....
(and of course with FX, you can select wet/dry... so I can select full wet, and let the mixer give me the dry mix)

#23

i would be most interested in analog in to analog out with a simple adc~ dac~ connection in puredata. should be fairly easy to measure and i can get a pretty good idea from there :slight_smile: midi in to audio out depends on a lot of stuff, that is true. maybe usb midi (not din) with a simple synth patch in puredata to analog out. do you have an oscilloscope? that would make things much easier.

thanks for investigating and looking forward to the results, wondering if my friend got his measurements right!

#24

6 posts were merged into an existing topic: Rasberry Pi as musical instrument

#25

@thetechnobear

Wuhuuuu, FINALLY I got my hands on a second hand Organelle :slight_smile: Just waiting to finalize last step of the deal..... Excited :slight_smile:

#26

cool, if your getting familiar with PD , I think you'll like it...
its also getting a bit of a buzz around it - very different from Axoloti, I think a much small percentage of the community make patches... and just use them, but there getting a good supply , and many are well thought out.
as I said, I think its strength is immediacy, because the form factor is a given... patches have to work with the hardware that is there, so they are always 'finished' and useable.
of course, if your in to PD etc, then you can take them and tweak them, or use bits for other projects... its fun :slight_smile:

#27

oh @jaffasplaffa , buy a small wifi dongle.. makes transferring patches etc, much easier.
(id also recommend at some point getting a larger sd card (8 or 16gb), see my posts on using sdcard rather than usb stick!)

#28

Yay, I payed for it now, so now it is just the waiting game..... I hate that.... :slight_smile:

I almost havent touched the Axoloti for the last couple of months, have been learning PD, so starting to have a decent library for PD and can soon start to make some music. But I guess I need to do some adaptions top make them run on Organelle now, hehe :slight_smile:

yeah, that is next. Finding out how to optimize it and make it run as smooth as possible :slight_smile:

#29

MOD NOTE: Ive moved this from a thread discussing audio effects on Axoloti, as it starts venturing into alternatives including Organelle - TB

On what hardware though?

#30

Pure Data can run on many different platform, like Win, Osx, Linux, etc.

So it is basically up to you what you want to run it on. There are also dedicated devices that runs Pure Data, like Organelle. Just got an Organelle a few days ago and on this I can finally make full arrangements on a single device. Couldnt do that on Axoloti, so I am really happy about this.

Pure Data can also run on a Raspberry Pi if you like. So it is really up to the user and be creative and build what you want :slight_smile:

#31

Oh ok, organelle hey, will check that out.

#32

$495.00, no thanks

doesn't look like pro audio gear either.

• Sampling Rate: 44.1kHz; 16-bit (In & Out)
• 2x ¼" Mono Sound Output Jacks (L & R channels)

A toy, not even as good as axo.

Massively overpriced, not flexible, wouldn't use it if given one.