Axoloti benchmark quality


#1

Hello everyone,

Very nice to meet you. I just heard of the pixaloti. Browsing a bit and wondering if there is a axoloti effect/synth patch library somewhere?
One with categories, descriptions etc. and full of patches downloadable for use with the paxoloti.
It would be nice to get a jump start into this journey.
the journey of the ixalotti.

Sincerely,

Ronny


#2

I don't know about the pixaloti, paxoloti or ixalotti, but there are numerous complete synth (and other types, such as sequencers, drum machined, effects ) patched available for the Axoloti. :wink:There are both 'factory' and user contributed patches, typically accessed through the patcher software, but some are available directly from the community forum.


#3

Thank you very much BrianA.
What do you think about the quality of the effects?
Have you ever heard of the Shruthi? I enjoy it very much. The quality is kind of like Dave-Smith like.
Is there any benchmark manufacturer you know of that i can compare the Axoloti with. I was planning to buy an Eventide H9, but after seeing the possibilities of the axoloti i'm in doubt :slight_smile:


#4

always when thinking about any product, we should take into account price,
comparing a 500 euro pedal (H9) with a 65 euro axoloti - is never going to be a reasonable comparison!

but...

hardware wise Axoloti uses a good quality DAC, and is running at 48khz SR, and a low buffer size and has decent 1/4" TRS jacks - so the hardware does not (for me) disappoint.

patches

are they any good effects out there?
for sure theres quite a few good community objects/patches
and also (disclaimer my objects, so biased) there are the mutable clouds, elements and rings objects which I have permanently running on one of my axoloti :slight_smile:

( I will admit there aren't that many musical demos out there of axoloti, so its tough to know - but a search on youtube will find some good ones - though they may not show exactly what you after ... axoloti can do some much, people use it in so many different ways)

but this is the real difference between a product like a Shruthi/H9 and axoloti.

an H9 you cannot extend and do what you like, and you have paid for Eventide to develop all the algorithms.
axoloti whilst it has lots of things (generously) shared by the community, it real strength is you can also build/adapt your own.

let me give a simple example.
if you buy an effects pedal , say a delay, and it has just a time control and mix knob - thats it your done
with axoloti, if you have a delay patch, and you want to add an LFO to the time control , you can do that.

what this means in practice is.
something like the H9/Shruthi has to have all the possible controls that the designers think their customer needs.

whereas with axoloti its the opposite, you can find a minimal patch and then add what you need.

this is a very different way of working, and may not be for everyone.


so really your comparing apples n oranges,
not only in price point, (H9 is nearly 10x cost of the axoloti!) , but also approach, and goals.

if you want plug in and just go, then the H9 is probably what your after.

if you want to have something a bit more flexible, something you can adapt, and tune and are wiling to invest some time learning then axoloti is cool.

they are so different, its completely valid to get both , esp. since axoloti is not expensive for what it is, and has so many possibilities for use.


#5

Thank you Technobear,

I understand what you just said there. I am particularly interested in combining the Axoloti with the Believotron Wanderlust.
That will put the price a little closer to the H9.
I like the hands-on controls with the screens, so i can see what parameter i'm adjusting.
Would you recommend that?

Also, during my search i ran into this guy. What is your opinion about it?


It uses OWL patches.


#6

i don't know if the wanderlust comes with patches that make it work out of the box (and how good/useful they are to you), or if your expected to still mainly create your own patches.
if its the later, then id say it 'ups the ante' - you have to be sure its for you, and have the time/inclination to make the most of it.

my personal opinion (and this is no disrespect to the wanderlust as ive never seen/heard it) is if the wanderlust appeals, id be tempted to get a bare axoloti, and play with it a bit - see if Axoloti is for you.
THEN if it is buy the wanderlust , you'll see many have more than 1 axoloti, so having a spare is not a bad thing :slight_smile:

Wizard/Owl,
thats a tricky one as never seen/heard one (they are very new)
I like RebelTech, Ive got a Bela Salt which they did in collaboration with Bela.io
there range is definitely a cool concept, it fits nicely somewhere between a DIY product and a 'finished' product.

my impression with OWL in the past is that its great because its easily accessible via PureData/Faust,
but its not that powerful i.e. unlike axoloti where you'll see it running a poly synth into a reverb, with a bit of chorus,
OWL , tends to have single function patches . a reverb, or a chorus , or a synth - and they tend not to be that involved.
but I dont know, if thats just the patches , or caused by hardware limitations.

so cant really say, does it hit a sweet spot of complexity/simplicity , or is it a bit limited?

there are other options you can look at too.

Organelle - Im a real fan of this, again you can program it yourself, but there are also loads of patches - its got a great community behind it too (and I contribute to it too - both on the 'firmware' size, and also I wrote Orac :slight_smile: )

ModDevices (moddevices.com) , this is more in someways similar to rebeltech/owl, but has a few more 'commercial patches' available for it. (more expensive too :wink: )

see it this all as a continuum

DIY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 'out of the box' product
raspberryPi -> axoloti -> wanderlust -> owl -> organelle / mod devices -> H9

this is not accurate, but hopefully you get the idea... you'll also see that price point, also broadly follows this.

whats also important to note, is most of this can sound as good as the others (there are some technical limitations) , its more down to time/effort of the owner, and how much they want to play with it.


so, again, it comes back to what do you want...

Eventide are well respected effects developers, they know what they are doing , so the price of the pedal is not just the hardware but your also paying for that expertise, and their time to develops these effects.

when your buying 'community developed' effects pedal, your not paying for development of the effects/algos.
your relying on what the community has developed, and their expertise, and they do what they want, so does it match what you want

thats not to say, its not as good, for sure it can be, but theres no guarantees and it can be a 'mixed bag'.
so you might find a few FX patches, that make it wow, this is fantastic, or you might just not find what you want / need.
(that the advantage of being able to patch them yourself, you can make what you want if it doesnt exist)

(note: this is no disrespect to community patches, saying they are better/worst ... as I release stuff to the community too, so my comments are fully inclusive of my efforts :wink: )


#7

This is very helpful. Thank you. I think i'm going to start with a Axoloti. Just the bare board. Get into the patches and try to find some nice combo's.
Run some synths through it and see what it's got :smile:

I like the idea of chaining some patches and building something that is exactly what i want.
Nice one.

Thank you very much Technobear. This is very helpful.

Ronny